-Isaiah 13:16
If you take on the accepted doctrines of Christianity, you learn several things. God created everything. Hell exists as a place of eternal torture for souls deemed unworthy to go to heaven. Souls can be and are sent to Hell. If God is omnipotent, he could stop these souls from entering an eternity of unquenched thirst and unsatisfied hunger in a lake of fire (I am not trying to make Hell sound worse than it is; these are the words used to describe it in the bible). He doesn't. For a finite time of finite sinning on Earth, God deems it morally just to punish souls infinitely. On the other end, he rewards the rest with an infinite reward. This is similar to me saying that, if you called someone a bad name one single time in all of your school years, I'm going to follow you around for the rest of your life with a taser gun, zapping you every three seconds. This does not even compare, because God plans to torture you for and eternity. That's a long time, by the way. If you go by these doctrines, it states that all humans are born with original sin. This means that if a baby dies during the birth, it will be sent to Hell, where this baby will be burned and tortured forever. This god is clearly immoral and unjust.
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One thing I did not like about the concept of Heaven and Hell was that souls continuously entered these two realms and never leave them, meaning that Heaven and Hell must be getting really crowded and there is an infinite amount of souls that are entering. I believe in reincarnation because of this, since it has souls being cycled.
ReplyDeleteWell also most people in Heaven must be miserable, because they know that their loved ones are burning in torture. And forgive me but, what reason do you have for believing in reincarnation? Do you feel your belief is justified?
ReplyDeleteFirst off, God never created hell. His former 2nd-in-command angel tried to seize Gods power. He failed. He took a third of Gods angels and opposed God by creating hell (opposite of heaven, obviously). What goes on on the Earth is a battle for the people - God tries to get people to believe in him (go to heaven) and Satan tries to turn people from God (hell). So, in other words, God is not sending people to perish in fire eternally - he is doing everything he can to get us all to come to heaven while maintaining one of his greatest gifts (free will). Attack me all you want, but that is my reasoning behind this and what I believe.
ReplyDeleteI'm not going to attack you because that would have no effect on the validity of your argument. I have a few questions.
ReplyDelete1. Is Satan more powerful than God?
2. If people are on Satan's side and Satan created Hell, wouldn't he have made it nice and cozy for all of his followers?
3. Do you have any valid evidence for any of this? Can you show any reason why anyone should believe any of this is actually happening?
1. Satan is not more powerful; rather he and God are equal in power and opposite in morals (or so I believe).
ReplyDelete2. Going with what was stated above about them being opposite, if God gets joy from compassion and kindness, then Satan should be just the person to create the tortuous anti-heaven you described above.
3. This is probably the hardest question for me (or any Christian, for that matter) to answer. I believe in this because I believe in Christianity, and my belief in that comes from more than some guy in a robe saying things or what it says in this old book from Ancient Times. If I have a very crappy day or something of the like and turn to God for help, I always feel immediately better about what happened and have a bunch of good days afterward. I have also heard many stories from Christian friends that depict God at work in their lives, many of which I feel are unlikely to be coincedence. I have seen (in my opinion) God at work and believe that he exists.
However, badness is undeniably in the world, and for that reason I believe that there must be an opposing force that turns people from God (Satan). I don't believe that a God who does miraculous things for people could also show a dark side that turns people from him, so, in my opinion, Satan exists.
1. Where do you get the information that they are equal in power, despite the fact the all holy books contradict this?
ReplyDelete3. Okay, forgive me but because you blindly impose your god upon anything you see that is good and then do the same with Satan for everything bad you see, you are self-affirming your beliefs with more self-created evidence. You're saying that the good things that happen happen because of God, and when good things happen you take it as evidence that God exists. I also find it to be a bit sad that when good people do good things, you give your god credit instead of giving them the credit they deserve; likewise, you give blame to Satan for actions that people do. That latter part is my opinion.
1. From my beliefs.
ReplyDelete3. I'm not saying that I proclaim God's influence for everything good. If I pray, for example, to do well on a test, and I do well, that's not provable in the least a work of God (as you would most certainly agree). But take this life story from a youth minister I know:
Her friend was exposed to carbon monoxide for an extended period of time and was in a coma. The doctors said that her friend would probably die, else suffer severe brain damage. She called people she knew and told them to pray for her friend and tell people they knew to pray, too. The chain spread so that people in Africa were praying for her friend. The friend experienced a miraculous recovery, with no brain damage whatsoever, resuming her previous state.
Though one story, it's stuff like this that makes me really wonder if this is all coincedence. Believe what you want about what I think regarding "good things and bad things" but I think there is something else controlling the world other than fate.
Now time for me to question YOU.
I don't understand the purpose of atheism. To me it seems like a lose-lose situation: either there is no God and you die, or there is a God and you are tortured in hell forever. Part of what keeps me a Christian is that there is a hope of living in peace forever, that there is someone out there listening to your prayers and answering them, that when you die you do not have to end. This hope can make life happier. I would be depressed if I was an atheist; I would have no one to turn to if I feel down, even if imaginary. The hope in Christianity keeps me going.
So tell me: What do you get out of being atheist?
1. No, those ARE your beliefs. Where did you GET them from, or did you just make them up?
ReplyDelete3. Do you know how many people died during the time that your friends friend was experiencing this recovery? Thirty thousand children under the age of five die every day due to starvation, and you think he cares about what score you get on a test? Why does he ignore all these people, and help the person who is being treated constantly with medical care? And why doesn't God heal amputees? No matter how much prayer has been done, never in all of history has an amputee spontaneously regenerates an arm or a leg. Additionally, research has been done on the subject. A group of people with a particular medical condition were separated into three groups. One was prayed for and not told about it, one was not, and the third was told they received prayer but didn't. The names of the prayed-for group were given to churches and prayer groups around the world, telling people to pray for a speedy recovery without complications. There was no difference in recovery time or health between the first two groups, and the third group fared worst of all, stressed with the pressure of doing well to make prayer look good.
To answer your question, let me give you an alternate situation as an example. Suppose you and your friend are walking through a beautiful garden, and your friend says, "I hear there are fairies living in this garden! They are th ones that make it beautful!" You tell your friend that you don't see or hear any fairies, and you don't know of any reason to believe that the faries even exist. You are just trying to enjoy the garden. But your friend insists, "How can you enjoy the garden if you don't believe in the garden fairies?" Unless you're an idiot, you would probably feel that your friend was missing out on something. Here you are, enjoying a nice day and beautiful scenery, and your friend is trying to convince you to stop enjoying the garden the way it really is. He is telling you that you have to make something up, which isn't real as far as you can see, or else you don't have as much of an appreciation of the garden as he does. In fact it is probably the other way around. It's a fine thing to have an imagination, but it seems like your friend is cheapening the experience, because he can't just enjoy something beautiful for its own sake.
The world has a lot of things to enjoy in it. Food, music, a well-told story, romance, sex, physical activity, the outdoors, the feeling of solving a difficult puzzle... just to name a few. These are things that most people enjoy on a day-to-day basis. And we don't appreciate the world around us any less for not thinking that those things come from God.
1. They are based on what I have found in the world.
ReplyDelete3.SELF CONTRADICTION ON YOUR PART. You claim in another post that church offerings are wasted and should be put into schools and healthcare. Then you complain about starving children and amputees. A lot of the money from the offerings across the country goes to help just those people that you complain God is ignoring. And even after all of the crap they endure, they still turn to God and thank him, even when there is little to be thankful of. There is also a verse in the Bible (forget where): “It is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to get into the kingdom of God.” He FAVORS these poor, starving people unlike you say; a massive portion of those who die of starvation go to heaven. As for the study, they evidently all recovered, I don't know what you're trying to prove here. Stressed by being prayed for? If they weren't told about the purpose of the experiment, they would’ve been relieved.
Throughout your metaphor, you forgot to discuss one part of my question: if you are wrong, you are going to hell. Like, FOREVER. That’s a pretty long time (I mean, the symbol for infinity isn’t a loop by accident). Even if a small chance, God and Satan could exist. Is being an atheist worth that to you?
Also why are we arguing, we are evidently not going to convince each other either way anytime soon.
1. What have you found in the world to demonstrate that two deities of equal power, one good and one bad, actually exist?
ReplyDelete3. No, not a self-contradiction. I said that that money could be going towards other things, like education and people who need it. Sure the churches donate some portion of the money collected to charities, but the point is ALL of that should be going to the charities, instead of being wasted. And yes, he is ignoring them. People are helping people. God has done nothing for them. Your comment about them turning to God anyway perfectly personifies religion; you are stuck to your beliefs and you live by them, even when you realize that they are nonsensical, illogical, and lacking evidence. And yes I have heard this quote, and it is a non-answer. It conveys the message that if you are doing well, you should thank God for his aid, and if you are doing poorly, you should thank him for making you poor, because you will go to heaven. What, according to your beliefs, are the criteria by which souls are judged? Does belief in this god matter? Your later comment about how if I'm wrong I go to Hell implies that apostasy (non-belief) is the one unforgivable sin. Your god is weak and immoral if he is too scared to appear to someone to save them from an eternity of torture. If Jesus appeared in my bedroom, I would obviously believe in him. If Jesus does not do so, God knows that I don't believe in him, and therefore he knows that I will go to an eternity of torture if he doesn't do something; but he does nothing, allows me to condemn myself, an is therefore rather immoral in that way as well.
The experiments done showed that prayer provided no aid in any way. Specifically, your last sentence of the paragraph makes no real sense. If they weren't told about it, they would have no reason to be relieved, because they would have known nothing about it. Every one of these people agreed to be a part of the experiment, and they knew what it entailed. If they didn't approve of it, they wouldn't have been a part of it.
Finally, you resort to the number one most common theistic argument: argumentum ad baculum. This literally translates to "appeal to the stick" or appeal to fear. You try to scare people into believing in something. There are several problems with this. First, no one can force himself to believe something, which begs the question; doesn't this form of logic ask people to say that they believe, even if they don't, just because they are scared? That's not belief, that’s a superficial lie. Additionally, by pleading for this bit of acceptance of your religion, you are admitting that you have no justification for your faith, and therefore your only way of convincing people is to scare them into it. And finally, you are again assuming that, if a god exists, he welcomes theists to Heaven and condemns atheists to Hell. This god cannot be shown to be any more likely to exist than one that rewards skepticism, therefore your claim is useless. There are an infinite number of possible gods, and there is no reason your opinion of one is any more likely to exist than any other god.
ReplyDeleteAnd you're right, you will never be convinced. You're too stuck onto your indoctrinated tenants to actually think about what you believe, and that's a shame. This discussion serves two purposes however. The first is to provide entertainment for other atheists and clear-minded theists who can see the errors in your reasoning. Half of the people who read this will think you're an idiot for asking, "What if you're wrong?" after I just explained why it is a foolish question. What if YOU are wrong, and only atheists who used logic in their lifetime go to heaven? Is being illogical worth that to you? The other reason for this conversation, to me, is that there are many people who read my blog who are either questioning their faith or not very confident in it. My goal is to fix their delusion, and help them to live fully intellectual lives, even if you refuse to think critically about certain events in your own life. They will hopefully see that you argue with fear tactics, flawed logic, and contrived arguments, every one of which can be refuted with common sense and some, believe it or not, logic. Happy Hijra!
1. I've already demonstrated what I think about this.
ReplyDelete3. Para 1: If that money was not collected at offering, it would remain in people's pockets. After that point is all your opinion, excluding your questions, to which I answer I believe that it is judged by both belief and goodness, so that a great person who was not exposed to Christianity may still get into heaven instead of hell.
Para 2: They obviously would have reacted differently to being prayed for if they were part of the experiment as opposed to not.
Para 3: I'm not trying to scare you, I just want an answer, have you thought about it?
Para 4: Oh, like I'm the only one here sticking to beliefs >.>
Also, you at least did contradict yourself at one point: "I'm not going to attack you because that would have no effect on the validity of your argument." Then your last three posts. I'm done posting now, I don't have much patience for people who try to disprove religion in their spare time, but I want you also to think on this.
You claim that Christianity is immoral in several places. Have you ever questioned the morality of this blog itself? People have the right to believe whatever they want, and what you are doing is trying to refute everything they have ever believed since they could understand. Let people believe what they want, they're not causing the world to implode.
And with that, so long and God bless, even though to you that means as much as the "Garden Fairies" do.
1. Actually you haven't, you've just repeatedly dodged the question.
ReplyDelete3.1 If that is true, then they are not donating because of good morals or sympathy, but instead because of conformity or FEAR of the threat presented by theists, as you demonstrated so well. And what about a nonbeliever who does good deeds? Do atheists who are fully knowledgeable of these myths get to go to Heaven if they are good people?
3.2 Yes, but somehow there was absolutely no difference caused by prayer in any experiment done.
3.3 Yes, I've thought about it, but personally I do not to change my life based off of a fear of something I don't have any reason to believe exists. Additionally, your claim asserts that punishment or salvation is based entirely on whether or not I believe in your god, which completely agrees with my above comments on morality.
3.4 Actually I did NOT stick to my indoctrinated belief. I've actually thought about these things, and applied reasoning to see if these claims made sense. I did research to find out if these claims were supported by evidence. I was raised as a Catholic and was a firm blind believer for a good amount of time. Now I do tend to stick to my opinion, because I have seen no clear evidence so far that any of this is worth believing. So far your best argument has been the threat of Hell. Read my entry on Pascal's Wager. Would you send me ten dollars once a week to save yourself from an eternity of being peed on? Is it worth it to take the chance? You also are unable to pick a side on what you believe God bases judgement upon, because either way you present it your argument fails.
I never once attacked you, I attacked your arguments, and anyone who cares about truth enough to reread my comments will find that I never noted anything about you, only about points you made and assumptions you made up. You spend three days debating someone with whom you have no patience for? Interesting. What is immoral about this blog that is not immoral about online copies of the Bible or the Qur'an or the Torah or the Book of Mormon or Harry Potter, all of whom claim the other is wrong? I'm not being immoral, I'm presenting explanations of logical fallacies on an out-of-the-way blog. If you don't like it, don't view it. It is not immoral just because you disagree with it. I'm not, "trying to refute everything they have ever believed since they could understand," although thank you for bringing up that religion is a matter of indoctrination. Just because you are told it as a child does not mean it should be subject to inquiry. When you grew older, you realized Santa was not real. Some parents say, "If you don't believe in him, he won't give you presents!" So their children say they believe, even if they don't because they want the presents. You can believe in your Santa, I will instead think about whether or not he is real. And I will not simply stay silent, because religion DOES have many negatives. Believers may not cause the world to implode, but they certainly have no problem making it explode. And thank you, Santa says you have been lovely this year.
In regards, to this debate, I have always wondered why people pray to god(s) at all. I would think that god would at least create humans or bring about humans so that they are perfectly able to survive for themselves. I always imagine god minding his own business while having an entire world of people pestering him for things that would help them.
ReplyDeleteAlso I don't understand the concept of Satan or evil, it may just be some personification of the evils in the world so that people had something to try and avoid in life. It makes sense to not go towards the evil guy from the eternal torture place than the awesome god living in utopia. Ps I dont really know what the image of Satan exactly is.
Also worship never made sense to me because that makes god seem REALLY vain or...deprived of love or something. I would never think that an all=powerful god would create things just so they could worship him.
And about my first comment and your question, reincarnation just makes more sense to me than anything else. If I try to imagine what happens to my consciousness postmortem, I can only think of waking up again somewhere or sometime. I don't totally agree with being reincarnated as an animal or anything, although that may be possible. And if i try to imagine reaching a state of perfection as in Buddhism's image of reincarnation, it doesn't seem like a good choice. I think of this state of perfection as a completely unmoving and boring place that's not as fun as life itself.
But then if you think of how population can increase or decrease, then where does more consciousness come from or excess consciousness go? If all life were eradicated from the universe then I would only assume that all consciousness is ended at that point, which is not easily justifiable. I think I believe in reincarnation because I would LIKE for it to be true, so that I can continue to live after I die.
I feel like he must be trolling. He has basically presented you with a perfect example of every illogical argument you have outlined in a previous post. This guy is undoubtedly an atheist presenting you with bad pseudo-theistic arguments so you can refute them and make theists look stupid. Please, don't judge us by that.
ReplyDeleteI would like to correct some of the logical errors, make note of assumptions that aren't obvious, etc. for this debate. Comments will be indicated by *'s.
ReplyDeleteatwopiecepuzzle:If you take on the accepted doctrines of Christianity, you learn several things. God created everything. *This is irrelevant. God is supposed to have created everything AT THE BEGINNING; he doesn't create everything at every moment.*
atwopiecepuzzle:If God is omnipotent, he could stop these souls from entering an eternity of unquenched thirst and unsatisfied hunger in a lake of fire (I am not trying to make Hell sound worse than it is; these are the words used to describe it in the bible). He doesn't. *He COULD stop this. He may have reasons for not stopping it.*
atwopiecepuzzle:For a finite time of finite sinning on Earth, God deems it morally just to punish souls infinitely. On the other end, he rewards the rest with an infinite reward. This is similar to me saying that, if you called someone a bad name one single time in all of your school years, I'm going to follow you around for the rest of your life with a taser gun, zapping you every three seconds. *This is a false analogy. It is relating punishment for one thing to punishment for an entire life. While similar, the two are too disparate for the analogy to be drawn.*
ReplyDeleteatwopiecepuzzle:This god is clearly immoral and unjust. *Immoral is too vaguely defined. In order for him to be considered immoral, you must define what moral standards he breaks.*
PlasmaN:What goes on on the Earth is a battle for the people - God tries to get people to believe in him (go to heaven) and Satan tries to turn people from God (hell). *This assumes that people start out neutral at birth and then either go towards or away from God.*
ReplyDeleteatwopiecepuzzle:If people are on Satan's side and Satan created Hell, wouldn't he have made it nice and cozy for all of his followers? *This is a false premise, it is never stated that people are on Satan's side.*
PlasmaN:Satan is not more powerful; rather he and God are equal in power and opposite in morals... *While claiming that Satan and God have opposite morals, it is fallacious to state that Satan and God are equal in power. God created the angels among whom Satan is included. As nothing can create itself, God is inherently more powerful than Satan.*
PlasmaN:If I have a very crappy day or something of the like and turn to God for help, I always feel immediately better about what happened and have a bunch of good days afterward. *This is useless for proving that God exists as it is directly comparable to the effects that placebos have. Both can be described as simply fooling our mind, and this can't be refuted without showing that God exists.*
ReplyDeletePlasmaN:I have also heard many stories from Christian friends that depict God at work in their lives, many of which I feel are unlikely to be coincedence. *This argument is too general. They can be INTERPRETED to be God at work in their lives. They could just as easily be interpreted as the Flying Spaghetti Monster at work.*
PlasmaN:However, badness is undeniably in the world, and for that reason I believe that there must be an opposing force that turns people from God (Satan). *This assumes God's existence, still an unproven premise.*
PlasmaN:From my beliefs. *This isn't a valid place to get YOUR BELIEFS from.*
PlasmaN:To me it seems like a lose-lose situation: either there is no God and you die, or there is a God and you are tortured in hell forever. *For the problems with this argument, see the post about Pascal's wager.*
PlasmaN:I would have no one to turn to if I feel down *May I point out that you can turn to other people?*
atwopiecepuzzle:Unless you're an idiot, you would probably feel that your friend was missing out on something. *Be cautious in the use of the word idiot. In this case it is very close to ad hominem.*
atwopiecepuzzle:the feeling of solving a difficult puzzle... *Does a two piece puzzle count? ;D*
PlasmaN:He FAVORS these poor, starving people unlike you say; a massive portion of those who die of starvation go to heaven. *This claim cannot be justified as there is no evidence that they are in heaven.*
atwopiecepuzzle:Your comment about them turning to God anyway perfectly personifies religion; you are stuck to your beliefs and you live by them, even when you realize that they are nonsensical, illogical, and lacking evidence. *May I point out that most religious people don't think that there beliefs are nonsensical, illogical, and lacking evidence?*
atwopiecepuzzle:Your god is weak and immoral if he is too scared to appear to someone to save them from an eternity of torture. *This can't be justified by any previous premise. He may choose not to appear for some reason.*
atwopiecepuzzle:Finally, you resort to the number one most common theistic argument: *This is a generalization that may not be true. He is resorting to argumentum ad baculum but the generalization implies more than can be known.*
atwopiecepuzzle:The first is to provide entertainment for other atheists and clear-minded theists who can see the errors in your reasoning. *This is not a logical comment but advice. When in a debate, always be polite and don't act as though you are superior.*
PlasmaN:If I have a very crappy day or something of the like and turn to God for help, I always feel immediately better about what happened and have a bunch of good days afterward. *This is useless for proving that God exists as it is directly comparable to the effects that placebos have. Both can be described as simply fooling our mind, and this can't be refuted without showing that God exists.*
ReplyDeletePlasmaN:I have also heard many stories from Christian friends that depict God at work in their lives, many of which I feel are unlikely to be coincedence. *This argument is too general. They can be INTERPRETED to be God at work in their lives. They could just as easily be interpreted as the Flying Spaghetti Monster at work.*
PlasmaN:However, badness is undeniably in the world, and for that reason I believe that there must be an opposing force that turns people from God (Satan). *This assumes God's existence, still an unproven premise.*
PlasmaN:From my beliefs. *This isn't a valid place to get YOUR BELIEFS from.*
PlasmaN:To me it seems like a lose-lose situation: either there is no God and you die, or there is a God and you are tortured in hell forever. *For the problems with this argument, see the post about Pascal's wager.*
PlasmaN:I would have no one to turn to if I feel down *May I point out that you can turn to other people?*
atwopiecepuzzle:Unless you're an idiot, you would probably feel that your friend was missing out on something. *Be cautious in the use of the word idiot. In this case it is very close to ad hominem.*
atwopiecepuzzle:the feeling of solving a difficult puzzle... *Does a two piece puzzle count? ;D*
PlasmaN:He FAVORS these poor, starving people unlike you say; a massive portion of those who die of starvation go to heaven. *This claim cannot be justified as there is no evidence that they are in heaven.*
atwopiecepuzzle:Your comment about them turning to God anyway perfectly personifies religion; you are stuck to your beliefs and you live by them, even when you realize that they are nonsensical, illogical, and lacking evidence. *May I point out that most religious people don't think that there beliefs are nonsensical, illogical, and lacking evidence?*
atwopiecepuzzle:Your god is weak and immoral if he is too scared to appear to someone to save them from an eternity of torture. *This can't be justified by any previous premise. He may choose not to appear for some reason.*
atwopiecepuzzle:Finally, you resort to the number one most common theistic argument: *This is a generalization that may not be true. He is resorting to argumentum ad baculum but the generalization implies more than can be known.*
atwopiecepuzzle:The first is to provide entertainment for other atheists and clear-minded theists who can see the errors in your reasoning. *This is not a logical comment but advice. When in a debate, always be polite and don't act as though you are superior.*
PlasmaN:If I have a very crappy day or something of the like and turn to God for help, I always feel immediately better about what happened and have a bunch of good days afterward. *This is useless for proving that God exists as it is directly comparable to the effects that placebos have. Both can be described as simply fooling our mind, and this can't be refuted without showing that God exists.*
ReplyDeletePlasmaN:I have also heard many stories from Christian friends that depict God at work in their lives, many of which I feel are unlikely to be coincedence. *This argument is too general. They can be INTERPRETED to be God at work in their lives. They could just as easily be interpreted as the Flying Spaghetti Monster at work.*
PlasmaN:However, badness is undeniably in the world, and for that reason I believe that there must be an opposing force that turns people from God (Satan). *This assumes God's existence, still an unproven premise.*
PlasmaN:From my beliefs. *This isn't a valid place to get YOUR BELIEFS from.*
ReplyDeletePlasmaN:To me it seems like a lose-lose situation: either there is no God and you die, or there is a God and you are tortured in hell forever. *For the problems with this argument, see the post about Pascal's wager.*
PlasmaN:I would have no one to turn to if I feel down *May I point out that you can turn to other people?*
atwopiecepuzzle:Unless you're an idiot, you would probably feel that your friend was missing out on something. *Be cautious in the use of the word idiot. In this case it is very close to ad hominem.*
atwopiecepuzzle:the feeling of solving a difficult puzzle... *Does a two piece puzzle count? ;D*
PlasmaN:He FAVORS these poor, starving people unlike you say; a massive portion of those who die of starvation go to heaven. *This claim cannot be justified as there is no evidence that they are in heaven.*
atwopiecepuzzle:Your comment about them turning to God anyway perfectly personifies religion; you are stuck to your beliefs and you live by them, even when you realize that they are nonsensical, illogical, and lacking evidence. *May I point out that most religious people don't think that there beliefs are nonsensical, illogical, and lacking evidence?*
ReplyDeleteatwopiecepuzzle:Your god is weak and immoral if he is too scared to appear to someone to save them from an eternity of torture. *This can't be justified by any previous premise. He may choose not to appear for some reason.*
atwopiecepuzzle:Finally, you resort to the number one most common theistic argument: *This is a generalization that may not be true. He is resorting to argumentum ad baculum but the generalization implies more than can be known.*
atwopiecepuzzle:The first is to provide entertainment for other atheists and clear-minded theists who can see the errors in your reasoning. *This is not a logical comment but advice. When in a debate, always be polite and don't act as though you are superior.*
As an update for all of you comment-readers, PlasmaN was not an atheist trolling, he was just a regular theist presenting me with bad pseudo-theistic arguments, though not intentionally.
ReplyDelete1. @PlasmaN I LOVE POKEMON TOO!
ReplyDelete2.@PlasmaN As atwopiecepuzzle and jacob said, please read atwopiecepuzzles previus posts to avoid wastage of time and...typage of old refutations?
3.@atwopiecepuzzle Good job! I notice that PlasmaN stopped posting, is he talking to you privately still or out of things to say?
4. @atwopiecepuzzle I think you should make a forum that specifically is for the debate of such subjects, so the comments can be specifically for whatever thing it is that is posted. If you do have one I'm sorry can you tell me where it is?
4.@linkinpakmsk Good job pointing those things out and keeping stuff in check.